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Who will you (or would vote if you could) vote for president?

McCain
22
26%
Obama
43
51%
Independent
5
6%
Undecided
5
6%
I don't vote - don't care
4
5%
Kitty on Catnip
6
7%
 
Total votes: 85

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Post by Black Pope » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:42 am

Well, as Tide pointed out, Nim, it will never stop...
It's not just that the extreme left spouts their hateful shit about fundamentalists (oh my gosh! There are people who believe the Bible! They'll destroy America!), or that the extreme right spouts their hateful shit about social liberals (Oh no! They want people to assist the poor, they must be socialists!), its that people believe them.
I am really coming to believe the key has to be in the individual person actually defending their ideological opponents and distinguishing between disagreeing on politics and people being, oh, say, evil...lol...

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Post by the tide » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:30 am

Nimrod7 wrote:
Goten6456 wrote:I just saw that Sarah Palin didn't know Africa was a continent. Are... you... kidding... me? I learned that in 2nd grade and she is the governor of Alaska? And a hairs width away from being president?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc

Goten6456 shudders...
Goten. It's a rumor. Don't believe everything you hear. Just like it was said that Barack was a muslim or not an American Citizen.
I'm not looking to start crap!

These "rumors" reported by Fox News are coming from Republicans within the former McCain campaign, which is pretty close to the same place the Muslim rumors came from (but not exactly). Now whether these disgruntled Republicans who made these statements are embellishing the truth -or flat out lying- is certainly to be debated. I'm no Palin fan and honestly think she is and would be bad for the Republican party but not so sure I buys this. Though I have to say, if true, I wouldn't be blown away.

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Post by sasquatch » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:33 pm

"The best way to destroy your enemy is to make him your friend."
~ Abraham Lincoln

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Post by hoodie » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:10 pm

:lincoln:

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Post by Big Will E Style » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:55 pm

I'm not really sure what is beginning?

Are you saying fox news is bashing him by putting that as a headline. I actually love dogs and think it's kind of cool.....and an important issue in my household.....so I'm not really sure what you were upset about or if you just took the article the wrong way because of its heading.

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Post by the tide » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:23 pm

Big Will E Style wrote:... I'm not really sure what you were upset about or if you just took the article the wrong way because of its heading.
It's possible that I'm taking it the wrong way, Will. But since I watched the press conference- it was clear he was giving a tongue in cheek answer to a question asked of him by a reporter regarding the new first dog. (cannot believe I just typed that)
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Post by Big Will E Style » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:46 pm

My guess is it's just a slow news day and Fox News probably put it up as a tongue in cheek article...... No matter what, I'll be interested to see what type of dog he'd have. Personally, I'd have a german shepherd (my current dog) because I'd feel safe, they're great companions and good with kids. What type of dog would you all have?

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Post by hoodie » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:26 pm

I've seen that a few places, and I'm actually on Barney's side. :shock:
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Post by Blind Willie » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:48 pm

Interesting article on a former White House butler that gives some good perspective on how racial relations have changed over the last 50 years. It's a bit long, but worth reading to the end.
When he started at the White House in 1952, he couldn't even use the public restrooms when he ventured back to his native Virginia. "We had never had anything," Mr Allen, 89, recalls of black America at the time. "I was always hoping things would get better."
Link to entire article

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Post by Goten6456 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:07 am

Well, excuse me for poking some political fun. :roll:

Did I ever say Biden never messed up? NEVER! Barack and Joe are perfect human beings and never make a mistake! :roll:

You guys tell me when you are ready to have fun, instead of taking everything so seriously, then maybe I'll "open up my mind" and "not believe everything I hear."

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Post by Tracker » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:37 am

Thanks for the link Blind Willie!

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Post by Golgi » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:37 am

<<< Agrees with Goten

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Post by Golgi » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:54 am

I think what we all need now is more...

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Post by Golgi » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:55 am

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Silly Golgi, Silly...

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Post by the tide » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:12 pm

"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force. I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may — may not, I hope not — but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism. That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did. When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist. We can't be lulled into complacency. You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential."
- Rep. Paul Broun (R)
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iRxZ ... wD94CCDU00

Yeah, it does sound a bit crazy, Paul.
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Post by fluffernuffer » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:32 am

Which part is crazy?

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Post by Mike » Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:40 pm

Comparing someone to Adolf Hitler - and then saying you are not comparing them to Adolf Hitler - is kind of crazy...

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Post by Blind Willie » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:03 pm

I assume Broun said all the same things about Bush back when he established Homeland Security. You know, that new national security force that answers to the president?

*does some research*

Nope. In fact, Broun is currently serving on the Homeland Security Committee.

Wow.

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Post by Big Will E Style » Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:48 pm

I think his comments may been a little extreme, but I also think he isn't comparing Obama to Hitler, as much as he is saying that it is just one of many things that could lead to the potential of how Hitler became to be who he was........

I'm not really sure I agree with what Obama is proposing. I haven't read much about it beyond what was quoted, but it does seem like an odd program, as if our army isn't doing the job.....

But you guys can't really be upset about the Hitler reference. I can't tell you how many times in the past 8 years Bush has been called Hitler.

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Post by Blind Willie » Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:13 pm

Big Will E Style wrote:I can't tell you how many times in the past 8 years Bush has been called Hitler.
Can you cite one time that Bush was compared to Hitler by a member of congress?

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Post by the tide » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:45 am

6/17/07
"It's almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that," Mr Ellison said. "After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it, and it put the leader [Hitler] of that country in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted."
Keith Ellsion (D) MN
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Mark Drake, of the Republican party in Minnesota, said: "To compare the democratically elected leader of the United States of America to Hitler is an absolute moral outrage which trivialises the horrors of Nazi Germany."

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Post by Black Pope » Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:16 am

Alright, Mr. Smarty-Pants, can you find a time when a congressperson called another congressperson a "doodyhead"?

All kidding aside, Tide's research is a thing of beauty.

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Post by SunTzu » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:37 pm

Normally I don't research obviously stupid shit that politicians say, but I'm strongly opposed to the idea of having an armed security force to "control" the populace...

So here are the details of what Obama really said, from one of the only online sources I trust to get their facts straight.

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Post by Big Will E Style » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:15 pm

Here is a similar instance where Democratic Senator Byrd, former KKK member, and now longest standing member in congress, compared republican tactics to Hitlers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,149147,00.html

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Post by Blind Willie » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:24 pm

Thanks for the links guys. It's nice to know that both parties have been saying ignorant and divisive bullshit. I guess that makes it ok for them to keep doing it, right? Or can we finally move on and reject the "but they did it too" defense as the petty, immature act that it is?

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Post by mbauer » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:26 pm

I think we should adopt the "1st person to mention Nazis loses" rule to debating

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Post by SunTzu » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:59 pm

mbauer wrote:I think we should adopt the "1st person to mention Nazis loses" rule to debating
You mean Godwin's Rule?

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Post by Big Will E Style » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:34 pm

Blind Willie wrote:Thanks for the links guys. It's nice to know that both parties have been saying ignorant and divisive bullshit. I guess that makes it ok for them to keep doing it, right? Or can we finally move on and reject the "but they did it too" defense as the petty, immature act that it is?


I was just saying that it happens on both sides. I wasn't trying to justify it being said by either side. I think it's a silly scare tactic for politicians. Then you asked for me to find an example, and Tide and I both did. Then you call my argument petty and immature. I don't understand. I guess I can't win.

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