I have made this new map, which is really big. Reaper is one of my favourite bots, and im not used to seeing him lose, but he takes ages to make a move and he loses against other trash bots like Communist and Yakool. I mean wtf, reaper is the best bot there is. (He still wins relatively often, but a lot less)
It must have something to do with the size of the map, he can't cope.
To Betrand about Reaper
That's not normal Reaper behavior, but then again I have not seen your map.
Is it bigger that "The dark ages"? On that one Reaper plays pretty quickly.
There might be something wrong with your map, something that trips up Reaper. Is there something in the log file, like a stack trace? Just look for the string "Reaper@" in the log file. If you find that, it would explain why he plays poorly. Email it to me, or post it here.
Also, I will be submitting a new version in a few days, that plays much better on large maps. Maybe it will make a difference.
Is it bigger that "The dark ages"? On that one Reaper plays pretty quickly.
There might be something wrong with your map, something that trips up Reaper. Is there something in the log file, like a stack trace? Just look for the string "Reaper@" in the log file. If you find that, it would explain why he plays poorly. Email it to me, or post it here.
Also, I will be submitting a new version in a few days, that plays much better on large maps. Maybe it will make a difference.
1500 countries? No wonder Reaper is slow. He looks at everything, considers every possibility, and the number of combinations rises exponentially as you increase the countries and continents.
I designed him to play reasonably quickly on any "practical" map. What you are doing is extreme, and I'm not sure people will be interested in playing it more than once, since the games will take a looooong time.
I designed him to play reasonably quickly on any "practical" map. What you are doing is extreme, and I'm not sure people will be interested in playing it more than once, since the games will take a looooong time.
A stack trace is something that documents an error in a java program - it tell us programmers where the error occurred, and what the program was doing.BombDiggityFresh wrote:by the way, im kind of a newb... what exactly do you mean by stack trace?
They are written in the Lux log file: C:\Program Files\Lux\Support\log.txt in Windows.
Another suggestion for your bot. Its good that he avoids taking negative bonuses, and doesn't fortify them and stuff. Sometimes that means that he leaves a small "island" deep in his territory, where u can drop a load of reinforcments and pop his continents.
You should try to get reaper to work out a compromise between how many units he would need to defend from a negative bonus like that, and how many units he will be losing each turn if he takes the negative bonus. Also get him to asses the risk of leaving a territory like that deep behind his front lines
Also, the feature which prevents him from fortifying negative bonuses means that sometimes there are big units just sitting there, because reaper won't move them across the bonus continent
You should try to get reaper to work out a compromise between how many units he would need to defend from a negative bonus like that, and how many units he will be losing each turn if he takes the negative bonus. Also get him to asses the risk of leaving a territory like that deep behind his front lines
Also, the feature which prevents him from fortifying negative bonuses means that sometimes there are big units just sitting there, because reaper won't move them across the bonus continent
Good ideas. I'll look into this when your map gets published. Normally negative continents are small, and you seem to have made them really big.
But, as Preacherman said, we AI programmers are lazy, and perfecting negative continents logic represents a lot of work for few benefits because there are few maps that use them. Right now Reaper handles them well enough when they are small.
But, as Preacherman said, we AI programmers are lazy, and perfecting negative continents logic represents a lot of work for few benefits because there are few maps that use them. Right now Reaper handles them well enough when they are small.
also im not sure if reaper has this feature, but a strategy which I use and i think most other people do too is to keep your border length to a minimum (for defense), even if it is sometimes at the cost of taking over a small negative bonus or retreating one country.
This feature should definately not stop him from "encroaching" on other continents like humans do, but should allow him easier defense. If you don't know exactly what i mean just ask, because i find kind of hard to explain
This feature should definately not stop him from "encroaching" on other continents like humans do, but should allow him easier defense. If you don't know exactly what i mean just ask, because i find kind of hard to explain
If Reaper doesn't cross the bridge, it's because he finds nothing interesting on the other side. He will not hesitate to cross it to take over a continent, terminate a player or pop a border.BombDiggityFresh wrote:And i tested reaper on the castle maps, that is where i saw him too scared to cross the bridge.
Er, what? I don't quite follow. An example would help.BombDiggityFresh wrote:...keep your border length to a minimum...
1. (Reaper on the Castle maps) - the neighbouring continent on the other side of the bridge was already occupied by reaper. But whatever code it is that stops him fortifying negative bonuses stoped him from moving his units across the bridge, probably because that would mean he would have to fortify it temporarily.
2. Keep border length to a minimum for defense - (im not sure how else to put this really). Basically sometimes it is worth taking over a negative bonus (doesn't have to be negative though) where there will be one country to defend in the end, than it would be defending 3 countries which border the negative continent. This is because you could have 90 units sitting alltogether in one country rather than having the units spread over 3 countries (i.e. 30 units in each country in this case). Having the units spread out makes it easier to pop his continents.
...by the way, if i am annoying u with all these posts just say so
2. Keep border length to a minimum for defense - (im not sure how else to put this really). Basically sometimes it is worth taking over a negative bonus (doesn't have to be negative though) where there will be one country to defend in the end, than it would be defending 3 countries which border the negative continent. This is because you could have 90 units sitting alltogether in one country rather than having the units spread over 3 countries (i.e. 30 units in each country in this case). Having the units spread out makes it easier to pop his continents.
...by the way, if i am annoying u with all these posts just say so
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OK I think I understand what you mean here. This is called a locked border, and Reaper 5.0 does not understand them. I made a fix for this weakness in the next version.BombDiggityFresh wrote:1. (Reaper on the Castle maps) - the neighbouring continent on the other side of the bridge was already occupied by reaper. But whatever code it is that stops him fortifying negative bonuses stoped him from moving his units across the bridge, probably because that would mean he would have to fortify it temporarily.
I get it now. This is not simple to implement, so it won't be in the next version. Perhaps later. Maybe.BombDiggityFresh wrote: 2. Keep border length to a minimum for defense - (im not sure how else to put this really). Basically sometimes it is worth taking over a negative bonus (doesn't have to be negative though) where there will be one country to defend in the end, than it would be defending 3 countries which border the negative continent. This is because you could have 90 units sitting alltogether in one country rather than having the units spread over 3 countries (i.e. 30 units in each country in this case). Having the units spread out makes it easier to pop his continents.
When I'm annoyed it is very obvious: I just will stop responding to your posts.... Indifference is a very powerful weapon.BombDiggityFresh wrote: ...by the way, if i am annoying u with all these posts just say so
Brillant answer. Economy of expression to the max. You scare me sometimes. Remind me to never become your enemy.Black Pope wrote:so
Yeah I forgot to test alliances with Reaper 6.0. He completely stops playing once you enter into one.BombDiggityFresh wrote:1. It turns into jelly when you truce with him (u probably know that)
I fixed this problem in version 6.1, and sent it to Dustin yesterday. It should soon be available in the plugin manager.
So many maps, so little time ....BombDiggityFresh wrote:2. It has difficulty on maps with lots of dead-end countrys, like RandomGuy's Amazon map.
There is some code in Reaper to detect dead-ends, but I never tried this map. What happens exactly?
On most maps, reaper does those rabbid attacks on cities or small continents with high bonuses (which makes him hard and annoying). On the Amazon map, he pretty much turtled most of the time, getting a few cards, and cashing them in. It might have been an anomaly, but the only time he seemed to take one of the cities was to get a card and the player was in its way.Bertrand wrote:Yeah I forgot to test alliances with Reaper 6.0. He completely stops playing once you enter into one.BombDiggityFresh wrote:1. It turns into jelly when you truce with him (u probably know that)
I fixed this problem in version 6.1, and sent it to Dustin yesterday. It should soon be available in the plugin manager.
So many maps, so little time ....BombDiggityFresh wrote:2. It has difficulty on maps with lots of dead-end countrys, like RandomGuy's Amazon map.
There is some code in Reaper to detect dead-ends, but I never tried this map. What happens exactly?
A small update to Reaper, version 6.2, is now available. He avoids building up armies on locked dead-end countries now. This make him much better on the amazon map, and probably on all the other maps also to a lesser extent.
There was also an intermittent bug that prevented him from placing all of his armies sometimes, maybe affecting one game in ten. This is fixed in version 6.2.
There was also an intermittent bug that prevented him from placing all of his armies sometimes, maybe affecting one game in ten. This is fixed in version 6.2.
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